MMA fans and fighters: December 2018

MMA fans like WMMA fights when the women are skilled

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MMA fans like WMMA fights when the women are skilled

The crowd reaction tonight was massive. It showed that exciting fights always bring the money no matter what.

Looking at the UFC rankings there are about 15 women over the 4 divisions who I deem to be UFC calibre. The rest is complete garbage and should be on Fight Night prelims.

Has this been the most united the Sherdog boards have ever been?

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Has this been the most united the Sherdog boards have ever been?

Usually Sherdog has lots of varied opinions with fans and haters of numerous fighters going to battle every day on these boards.

But all the threads this week seem to have 99% of posters on the same page.

What do you say my fellow Sherdog bros?

Is the Jon Jones/UFC 232 debacle the biggest clusterf*** in MMA history?

Prompted by @FrankieNYC, I'm wondering whether the Jon Jones/UFC 232 debacle is conceivably the biggest clusterfuck in MMA history.

Of course, we need some distance from events - but it has to be in the conversation.

The credibility of the UFC, Dana White, Jeff Novitsky, WME, USADA, the CSAC, and Andy Foster has been shredded. The legacy and accomplishments of Jon Jones have been shredded.

We have seen the UFC suddenly pack up the carnival tent and run to another state...

Is the Jon Jones/UFC 232 debacle the biggest clusterf*** in MMA history?

If Gus wins he is the GOAT savior of MMA and the UFC.

No question Jones is a scumbag on so many levels. Yet he is truly a marvel of a fighter. If Gus can duplicate his last performance and send Jon to the hospital a bit earlier I will loose it. I rarely even yell at my screen but if Gus can pull this off I will be dancing in the street!

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Should UFC fighters receive life time bans for peds?

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Should UFC fighters receive life time bans for peds?

Like Lance Armstrong.

Set an example

Fighters that admitted they took steroids

Steroids, not TRT

Except Brian Ortega, were there others?

MMA Betters Get in Here! Gus +225 to win and +850 to finish! BET EVERYTHING

Gus is going to be so focused and smash Jones. Jones mental game will be shot after this rebooking mess. He's off roids and won't be able to press in the championship rounds. Gus will not only beat Jones via better striking, harder punches and endurance but get the finish!!

Bet365 has these odds. I put 175 on Gus and 20 on Method of victory (KO/TKO/Sub/DQ)

Will There Ever Be Unified Championship Fights in MMA in the Future?

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Will There Ever Be Unified Championship Fights in MMA in the Future?

Why or why not? It was done in boxing after all.

What does it take to be considered one of the best MuayThai fighters?

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What does it take to be considered one of the best MuayThai fighters?

First thing that pops into my head is a fighter that's ranked highly in the main stadiums like Lumpinee and Rajadamnern but now days isn't it a little more complicated?

You have fighters who do well in the stadiums but not so much internationally based off a number of things. Over the years the stadiums have been influenced by the gamblers and even guys like Samart have come out and said its different to how it was in the golden era. International muaythai promotions CAN be judged...

What does it take to be considered one of the best MuayThai fighters?

Amanda Nunes brings up a good point about fighters getting screwed on this card

going from one of the least taxed states to one of the highest. fighters losing a shitload of their purse so Jones can stay on the card lmao

then again, she should be happy jones/gus are still on it since ppv points. but the rest of the guys are just losing money straight up lol

do people think there are any clean fighters at the top level?

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do people think there are any clean fighters at the top level?

same with other sports. i find it hard to believe with the benefits of being on dope and the peer pressure that your contemporaries arent clean youre gonna be dirty are you not?

i mean the money is huge and you dont really lose it. i look at local dealers in my town growing up, a few of them did long stretches in jail but came out still rich with properties, businesses that are now legit etc.

crime pays does it not?

what incentives for fighters or sportsmen are there to stay clean? you...

do people think there are any clean fighters at the top level?

MMA media needs to do som investigating journalism on this USADA matter

I really hope the different mma media out lets can step up their game and start to do some real work and get some real answers to what just happened in the USADA/JJ matter. The questions being asked at the Jeff and Dana presser was so god awful bad, and non of the media members seems to have any clue about doping what so ever.

- Jones got caught having single AND double digits of picograms worth of A metabolite...... what?
- USADA calling around the world talking to nameless «world...

MMA media needs to do som investigating journalism on this USADA matter

Khabib has yet to bleed in an MMA fight

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Khabib has yet to bleed in an MMA fight

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Exec of Khabib Nurmagomedov's MMA Club Wanted on Attempted Murder Charge

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Exec of Khabib Nurmagomedov's MMA Club Wanted on Attempted Murder Charge

Is this some kind of set up or part of a criminal mentality. I know boxing has had great fighters associate themselves with crime bosses in the past
Does mma have this in common with Boxing?

According to Russian newspapers Moskovskij Komsomoletsand Kommersant (h/t Zidan), Klopnev allegedly was amongst a "group of fighters affiliated to Eagles MMA and Summa Group [that] attacked Kuramagomedov and beat him within an inch of his life. The fighter was hospitalized with a...

Exec of Khabib Nurmagomedov's MMA Club Wanted on Attempted Murder Charge

One of the biggest myths in combat sports community today : Boxing is bigger than MMA

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One of the biggest myths in combat sports community today : Boxing is bigger than MMA

One of the biiggest boxing stars Gennady Golovkin PPV numbers when he was the A-Side (From a drawing perspective) are
150k against Lemieux
170k against Jacobs
(The Brook ppv number doesnt count since the fight was in England and people there bought it for Brooks.
Also Canelo was the A-Side in both fights)
Also another two well-known boxing names fighting each other (Ward v Kovalev) numbers
170k the first fight
130k the second fight
List goes on and on with boxing shitty PPV...

One of the biggest myths in combat sports community today : Boxing is bigger than MMA

SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Let's pick the Week 138 movie!

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SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Let's pick the Week 138 movie!

NOTE to NON-MEMBERS: Interested in joining the SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB? Shoot me a PM for more info!

Here's a quick list of all movies watched by the SMC. Or if you prefer, here's a more detailed examination.

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SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Let's pick the Week 138 movie!

Best MMA one-liner comebacks

Press conferences with the right people can provide top notch entertainment. The most memorable moments are not the scripted and rehearsed trash talk bits, it's the spontaneous comebacks and shit slinging that goes on between the fighters.

My absolute favorites are:

"I beat you after a weekend of cocaine" ~ Jon Jones to Daniel Cormier

That was equivalent to a one-punch KO. Daniel Cormier likes to take the moral high ground when it comes to mental warfare against Jones. Cormier...

Best MMA one-liner comebacks

Anyone else like MMA?

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Anyone else like MMA?

I do that is why I read this forum

Aus / Nz fighters

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Aus / Nz fighters

Bit of a shame towards the end of the year with the run of bad results , hopefully Volkanosvki closes it out with a win.

Hopefully the losses motivate rather than hinder but eyes have been opened. All of them need to take lessons from Whittaker on how to work towards a victory. Generally his game plan is on song and even when something goes wrong ie broken hand / bad leg etc he is still able to make slight adjustments to fight intelligently.

The heart has been on display along with...

Aus / Nz fighters

MMA forgotten stories thread

Let's throw some old stories in this thread. Feel free to contribute!

Batman Mike Bencic

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From what I recall,Mike was a Croatian guy that i think was a grappler a jiu jitsu guy,so he was helping Mirko make the transition to MMA,and often accompanied Mirko to the ring in his early Pride fights. In turn Mirko got him some fights but he lost badly to the Reem,and...

MMA forgotten stories thread

Poirier still calling out Conor and Ferg with the weakest twitter callout game in MMA history

I like Dustin but holy shit <{CMPALM}>

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Sage has a better callout game ffs

How did this guy become "Face of MMA"?

How did this guy pull off becoming "the face" of the sport and succeed where others didn't? It's bizarre.

It seems like he's on the way out now, but you have to give him credit for making it all the way to a 100 million dollar payday against Mayweather. It seems like a miracle if you really look at it.

He truly personifies perception being born into reality. Whether or not he actually has the goods to back it up....

How did this guy become "Face of MMA"?

How do post prior TRT exempt fighters still manage to compete in MMA?

Rampage, Overeem, and Hendo had been on the TRT in the UFC...and after the TRT ban (Dan weighed in at 199 lbs at LHW in his first fight post TRT ban).

How do these fighters manage to compete when their bodies are not producing natural test anymore (since TRT stops your body's natural production)?

Overeem looks very athletic and healthy (no where near Ubereem). Not deflated like Post USADA Vitor.. How does he do it? Is it just HCG? But Vitor wasn't allowed to use HCG.

We all know...

How do post prior TRT exempt fighters still manage to compete in MMA?

Has watching MMA made you a better fighter?

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Has watching MMA made you a better fighter?

How many of you untrained lunatics have tried pulling off a move you've seen in MMA?
Anyone tried throwing an cheeky elbow, maybe a takedown, or tried some BJJ when things hit the floor?
Any success/failure stories to share?

*Sherdog is a better place after Conor McGregor got schooled and exposed: Thanks Khabib*

And for all the McGregor nuthuggers, banwagoners and jumpwagoners, don't get it wrong: THIS IS JUST BUSINESS.

This is just a reminder that has to be done once in a while to remind us how annoying were Conor nuthuggers, who praised him as the MMA god and who got wet every time he held a press conference.

Peace.

How far has MMA advanced?

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How far has MMA advanced?

Take Dan Severn for example, generally agreed to be an all time great HW. How good would a prime Severn would fair with any HW on the current rooster? I only seen the top guys fight so can't make an accurate assessment. Could he beat the bottom boys or are even those guys out of his reach?

de la Hoya gets embarrassed by journalist after being asked about fighters' pay

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de la Hoya gets embarrassed by journalist after being asked about fighters' pay

Listen from 1:23
- de La Hoya says that Dana should've paid his fighters more so they wouldn't fight in their 40s.
- Journalist asks him what about guys in the event who got $1K
- DLH: "these these are amateurs"
- Journalist: "But amateurs do not get paid"
- DLH: "they're 4 rounders 3 rounders"
- Journalist: "Everyone in your card was 3 rounder"
- DLH: "This is my first show first show first show, it was a success"

Conor Mcgregor is pound for pound the best MMA fighter on earth

Now that JJ has been removed from the equation there is only DJ who shouldn't be there anyway.

Jones's cheating was obvious to anyone with half a wit. I mean, post USADA Jones fought Saint Preux and looked like shit. If that wasn't damning evidence after he all of a sudden became a killer again against a champion then, there's no talking to ye. Cormier could be one of the greatest if it wasn't for this despicable cheat Jones. Anyway, we now have enough evidence to state that he's been a...

Conor Mcgregor is pound for pound the best MMA fighter on earth

Comparing MMA Fighters To NBA Players Is The Same As...

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Comparing MMA Fighters To NBA Players Is The Same As...

Comparing pornstars to models. Sure, models are physically more attractive and get payed a lot more, but they'd never be able to fuck like Pornstars do, so the comparison is pointless.

Why do camps let fighters get out of shape?

I feel like Max Holloway doesn't actually have issues making 145, if he stays in shape between camps. This can be said for a lot of fighters -- they get too heavy between fights and have trouble making weight (Anthony Pettis).

To me, this is a clear failure on the fighters' camps. The people around them need to be police, and demand that their fighters stay in shape and be disciplined. It can literally be a matter of life and death -- getting overweight between camps can cause...

Why do camps let fighters get out of shape?

Interesting that pillow fisted fighters currently dominate P4P rankings

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Interesting that pillow fisted fighters currently dominate P4P rankings

1 DC. (borderline pillow fisted)
2. Kebab (pillow fisted)
3. Jones (extremely pillow fisted)
4. Dillashaw (pillow fisted)
5. Holloway (extremely pillow fisted)
6. GSP (pillow fisted)
7. Woodley. (first KO artist on the list)

Discuss.

Ps.This is not a diss on fighters who are relatively weak punchers, because it only takes more skill to be a great fighter without a big KO power.

Has the good ol power double become too predictable in modern MMA?

Don't get me wrong, wrestling is still the best base of current UFC champions, but gone are the days where you can win fights with a good blast double. Seems like it's going the way of the armbar.

Unless you got some freak Askren, or Khabib level chain wrestling or slick Dagestani cheatcode grapple/wresle fuck manuevers, you can't really depend on wrestling to win fights in modern MMA and you're going to have to have great striking and power to mix up with your wrestling like Woodley, TJ,...

Has the good ol power double become too predictable in modern MMA?

"Fighters" like Theodoru should be fired

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"Fighters" like Theodoru should be fired

Avoiding fight, running away, boring as hell

Black belts with zero takedown ability in MMA

The most annoying part of MMA...

fantastic BJJ experts, with exciting subs... but ZERO Takedowns ... Seriously enough !!

Learn some wrestling !

“All you need is BJJ” (some random Gracie)

No!

All you need is a well rounded grappling game !

Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 8] - MMA 'Cans' - The Unsung Heroes...

Today :

MMA 'Cans' - The Unsung Heroes...

Sadly, some fans seem obsessed with the W/L record, and are quick to dismiss a fighter´s career based solely on that.

Sequences during a fight are much more interesting imo, not the overall fight itself.
What Im looking forward to is the fighter´s evolution & the slick transitions he might showcase during
the fight.

Assessing a fighter´s career is generally something uneasy, especially when it comes to ol´school
fighters.
It...

Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 8] - MMA 'Cans' - The Unsung Heroes...

Cris Cyborg has the best striking ratio/differential of all ranked UFC fighters

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Cris Cyborg has the best striking ratio/differential of all ranked UFC fighters

Source:
https://public.tableau.com/profile/...ingDifferentialForAllRankedUFCFighters1272018

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- WFW champion Cris Cyborg has hands down the best ratio, rising contender Dominick Reyes (#7 LHW) is the second best
- Paulo Costa (#8 MW) is the most active striker (activity being measured by strikes landed by minute)
- Justin Gaethje (#6 LW) gets hit the most
- Tatiana...

Cris Cyborg has the best striking ratio/differential of all ranked UFC fighters

General MMA Discussion & Future Lines - March, 2018

KSW Odds

Floyd on fighting MMA: "I'm not a f***in degenerate"

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Floyd on fighting MMA: "I'm not a f***in degenerate"

On McGregor and Nurmagomedov still talking about him
“I’m the face of just combat sports period. Whether it’s boxing or MMA, I’m the face of it all. … I’m not even worried about those guys. Conor McGregor, he already know what happened with that. Khabib running his mouth. He wants to get in there, I’ll take care of him, too.”

On a potential fight vs. Nurmagomedov
“If it happens, it happens. If it don’t, I’m still going to have a great life.”...

Floyd on fighting MMA: "I'm not a f***in degenerate"

About UFC Promoting Fighters...

So I was thinking today about UFC promoting fighters. The main argument against this is that fighters should promote themselves, but in every other sport i've seen athletes who are talented are promoted by their organization. I don't really watch NFL or NBA, but I can't think of any many A list celebrity athletes who have good personalities. Most basketball players and football players are dull and boring. That doesn't stop them from being extremely popular.

Take for example Khabib. The...

About UFC Promoting Fighters...

Most powerful punch you have seen landed in UFC/MMA

We all know heavyweights are supossed to have the most powerful punches in the sports, but this punch by Paul Daley is just incredible, look at the way his opponent body reacts to the punch.

Look at the 10:18 minutes (already marked in the link)

crazy chit, his head looks like gonna be taken off his neck and his whole body collapses instantly

another devastating punch I remember is Rashad Evans vs Chuck Liddell, holy shit:

just 19 seconds in...

Most powerful punch you have seen landed in UFC/MMA

Khabib advice to female fighters:

Question:
What advice do you have for someone who wants to get into the fighting industry. What tips do you recommend, especially for a female?

Khabib:
For female I have very good advice. Be fighter inside your home. And one more advice, all the time finish your husband.

That was a dickhead response but not gonna lie,

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Let's remember Chuck Liddell...A masterful LHW MMA fighter.

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Let's remember Chuck Liddell...A masterful LHW MMA fighter.

A true master pugilist.

Chuck Liddell was a terrific puncher with concussing power in his right and left hands. He punched with full commitment and was an expert at elongating his punches to maximize impact of the blows while using great leverage. In his youth, he had phenomenal hand speed, incomparable takedown defense, elusive defense, a granite chin, and educated feet as well.

What a fighter....

In his prime, he would be top 3 LHW of all time.

Fellow fans, please help with gifs of his...

Let's remember Chuck Liddell...A masterful LHW MMA fighter.

Time to be real !! Mma fans have unreal expectations

I’ve come to realize us as mma fans are spoiled , greedy and need to be honest . First it’s time to accept a lot of these dudes are juicing . Nba players usually decline around 32 , mma fighters go through more extreme forms of punishment with less resources . It makes sense that guys who fight clean decline like mark hunt , I would even suggest Chris, jhonnie Hendricks and Pettis are clean . Their declines make sense.( gsp ????, is he clean ?) idk Guys need tune up fights....
Time to be real !! Mma fans have unreal expectations

Why do boxers have better legacy than MMA fighters?

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Why do boxers have better legacy than MMA fighters?

If you ask the world the names of the boxers in the golden heavyweight generation (1950s - 1990s), they will tell you the names and their accomplishment but if you ask them if they could name MMA fighters from the early UFC/Pride days, no one can answer them except hardcore MMA fans.

So, it got me thinking why are boxers generally remembered and have a bigger legacy than MMA fighters? Even today, they're treated like multi-millionaire celebrity whereas MMA fighters can easily turn into...

Why do boxers have better legacy than MMA fighters?

Will Nigeria take over MMA?

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Will Nigeria take over MMA?

Nigeria is pound for pound the top nation right for MMA talent IMO, not fighters, but genetic talent

Nigerians are slim, low body fat and long limbed, think of Jones/Anderson silva on steroids. Nigerians have The perfect frame for fighting. They are also hungry

Despite having virtually no funding compared to USA/RUSSIA/BRAZIL/JAPAN/EUROPE, Nigeria already has two fighters that will be future goats

WE have future champ Israel Adesanya 1 fight away from a title shot and at the same time
We...

Will Nigeria take over MMA?

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